Key Automation Question: Why do I see a good profit on my MT4 account but the trade doesn’t close and take the profit?
This is a question I get asked often because it does puzzles people in the beginning. The new starter sees a large blue profit number and they are thinking ‘why isn’t this trade being closed’? It is very frustrating for the beginner especially when they are eager to make profit and start to see the results they know others have benefited from. So Why does this happen?
So for example. I have two EURUSD trades that were opened on my account back in August 2020 at a price of 1.17978. Back at the end of March 2021 these trades went into profit for me and naturally you think, these should close. However, these EURUSD’s were opened on the master account on a different date and a different price. Eg. maybe 1.1300 as the Take Profit target is 1.1200. So for the Master account a currency price of 1.1798 means this trade is in loss and if it closed on the Master account it would be a large loss so the trade remains open until the initial entry price is reached or the target profit is reached. This means as your account is mirror a master account, trades will not close they will remain open.
What can you do?
The primary note here is always happens at the beginning of a new trader's journey and once into the swing of daily trading, this activity is gone. It only applies at the beginning.
If you need anymore guidance on this then let me know!
The big thing in forex trading is the over arching umbrella word ‘scam’. It’s got this really ugly cloak to those that haven’t explored or educated themselves on the topic. That cloak is full of dodgy information, bad publicity, dubious characters and potentially money being lost. So, when I share with people that I ‘trade’, 80% of the time there’s an immediate negativity around it, all shaped by the stories heard and seen. Clearly showing that trading though well intentioned is very much a misunderstood industry by many.
My own story.
I’ve always wanted to trade currency. Some of the movies I watched as a kid influenced the, ‘wall street, suited up, fast pace’ feeling. In recent years I’ve loved movies like, ‘The Wolf of Wall street’, ‘The big short’, ‘Inside Job’, ‘Wall street’. It’s the buzz and excitement around watching currencies and stocks be influenced by the sentiment of the people and the political activities that take place to make this happen. It was always something I have loved but never thought I would be able to do. Stories of losing thousands, scams, taking years to get educated and not feeling good enough to do it all ate into the stories of never getting into trading. Until 2019.
On the whole, when I've mentioned it to friends, family or acquaintances, it creates a strange energy of ‘hmms….not sure now of what you do!’ sounds dodgy!! And to the untrained, yes it can be. "Be careful Nick, it’s a scam" "careful you don’t get scammed", and "Its all illegal". So, my goal here is to just pull off that cloak on this topic and just help people open the door to a rather good way of making your money work harder for you. Trading isn’t discriminatory in anyway. If you get educated and learn some strategies and keep to your trading plan with key rules you can make it work for you. But its first getting past the first hurdle.
The Financial Conduct Authority
This is an important financial body in the world of trading. All brokers (I’ll come back to this term) are required to be registered with them to allow trading to take place lawfully. You can review their website and see the stringent terms and conditions brokers need to follow. You can also check up on brokers and those who have been called into question by the FCA. It was my go-to place when I was checking the broker I use. This is part of your education and really is a foundational subject to review.
All brokers are required to be registered with the FCA regulatory authority in the country they operate. All brokers provide legal documentation which covers your rights as a user and the terms in which you are signing up too. Its important you know this and read them. When you open an account with a broker, they will request you to identify yourself through supporting paperwork. They just want to check you are real and verify you. This is another important step when considering the trading services you will use. The broker is like your bank but for forex trading. They have access to the forex markets and they do the hard work of connecting you to it so you can trade different currencies. Most brokers are free to sign up to and they make their money via the trading activity you conduct. For example, commissions and swaps on trades taking place. They make money in other places too and you can read about it through the terms and conditions. Again, another important step in getting educated on forex trading. Brokers also provide resources, training and FAQ’s to help you with your trading. Use them – they are there to support you.
Algorithmic Trading/ Expert Advisors
This is the technology part of trading. Using technology to help you trade. Algorithmic trading/ Expert Advisors are trading robots – created by trading professionals to take the guess work out of trading and help enter trades based on a set of pre-set criteria. Algorithmic Trading isn’t new. Its been around for a number of decades and they are getting better. Technology is helping retail traders (like me) help get a step into the trading zone, start trading, earn some profit and learn on the go too. ‘Set and forget’ is another common phrase around algorithmic trading because the technology is doing the hard work that someone has programmed it to do. The key benefit of using technology with trading is that you don’t have to be watching the currency movements all the time, its done for you and it takes away the emotional part of trading. This I talk about a little bit further down. But your trading mindset is probably 70% of whole trading strategy. Like life, if you are too emotionally involved – you may not always make the right decisions. Algorithmic trading has a lot more advantages and is used heavily by banks and financial institutions too. We embrace technology everywhere in our life. Using technology in trading makes sense too.
I’ve been trading since January 2020 using an algorithmic service and its been the right decision for me. It has allowed me to work my capital properly and make a profit, its allowed me to learn more about trading while its going on around me and its disconnected the emotional part of my trading.
A great place to check up on algorithmic systems is the website called myfxbooks.com. Its basically a place where traders, systems and the results of their trading can be shared for all to see. Another great way to review a potential algorithm service you are going to use.
So where is the scam Nick if we have all this regulation?
The scam happens where people write tag lines saying, “I can turn US$200 into US$5000 in 7 days.” You’ve more than likely seen them. Scammers feed on the uneducated viewpoint. They feed on that emotional feeling of earning so much money in a short period of time. If you look up ‘forex trading groups’ on Facebook you will see so many promises of a ton of my money in a short period of time. It’s made to sound easy, achievable and accessible. Let’s be clear. Its accessible but achievable and easy are the to elements that need an upgrade quickly. Its never easy. You can have good trading months and bad ones but over a year if it averages out then it’s a good thing and seems easy. Achievable also yes. But your view on trading is important part of this story. If you think in 3 or 6months you will be a millionaire then you are mistaken. Trading needs patience, time, consistency and a plan. If you can’t hold those then its best you don’t get involved in trading. Be on the look out for them, but don’t’ dismiss the good ones. Do your homework, educated and start discovering.
When I was younger I couldn’t wait until I could drive. The offer of freedom, going where I wanted to go, playing the music I wanted in the car and hanging with my friends was simply great. But when I was dreaming about those days I did not think about the risks, learning to drive, insurance, fuel costs. Those were just back thoughts. But when the opportunity to drive came around I was so excited, so enthusiastic. I remember my first lesson, and would you believe, I’ve seen my mum and dad drive a manual for so long that when it was my turn to actually do it, I messed it up!!! I was so embarrassed. That was my first fail at driving. Then as driving lessons continued my confidence plummeted, I thought I’d never get it. The risks on the road, changing lanes, indicating at the right item, being mindful of other cars – OMG.. all of that was front and centre and at times I cried, felt overwhelmed, worried that I ‘d never be able to drive and be stuck in a taxi for life!! There’s mindset again!! All that played into my driving. You will be pleased to read that I passed my driving test first time, so I was really proud. Getting your license is such a badge to independence. Now I had to think about risks, I was still a learner really, insurance, fuel – the baggage that comes with the responsibility of driving is large. But as the years progress, we don’t think about it. Its something we do and get on with! With that long story – what I’m trying to say is that trading too comes with risk, learning to trade, capital concerns, worry of getting it wrong but in the long term as we get better at trading, learn from our mistakes we too can be better traders. It does not happen overnight. I am only 18 months into this journey and I’m still learning. I have a learner’s mindset always. My patience is better and I’m more comfortable now letting the market do its thing and I keep a reactive mindset. The moral of this paragraph is get educated. See what the trading world is like. Research it, do your due diligence and explore it.
I do make money while I sleep. Not a lot right (yet) but I’m in this for the long term. As I said above trading is a long-term activity that needs patience and consistency. My personal mission is to build this income stream and in the coming years see this as an income stream that covers our bills and expenses and helps us just enjoy life a little bit and take the pressure of the corporate rally we are in! If this is something you want to do, then get educated. See what your options are and plan! Then go for it!
Forex trading is a possibility for you, just get educated!
I'll continue to write on the subject of 'get educated' as part of my mission to help people see trading as a potential option for them!
I've been trading now since January 2020 and I've learnt a lot! But its time to upskill my trading and get better. So I've signed up for a 4 day course at the end of April 2021. 4 Days of being immersed in trading and taking it to the next level. How very exciting!
I started with algorithmic trading which really was a good introduction to the world of trading. I'm still using algorithms and will continue to do. To be able to 'learn and earn' has been a really great opportunity and I'm not changing that. I've been able to see the trades being set and study why the algorithm made certain choices or when the professionals step in a do a manual trade. Its really exciting! Once you are doing it and you are seeing the consistent growth each month, its a bit hard to turn your back on it. So that will continue.
What I want to do now is get better. Improve my skill set, learn more strategies and get clear on my trading plan.
After some dummy trading I opened a small US$125 trading account in mid February. My first goal was to take that account to US$200. I'll talk about this in a later post and share my results but I'm really excited about getting better at trading.
A blend of algorithmic trading and manual trading is really exciting for me. I'm getting educated, upskilling and looking forward to what 2021 has to bring with the trading.
It's pretty cool - when you look back on this account and see good growth! 4 months in and I'm excited about the next quarter too!
Sometimes things are better said as a video. I picked up this video yesterday and thought I'd share it. Its a really helpful way to understand how currency trading are bought and sold on the largest financial market in the world as well as how it influences other asset markets too!.
Most of the time my forex accounts operate with minimal interference from me. I get on with my day and the accounts busily work away in the background 24 hours a day, five days a week.
But that does not mean I don't get involved with them at all. It’s important that you keep an eye on the accounts and see how they are doing and be able to make decisions about them, if you have too. I will share with you how I operate my trading, so you have some guidance and how margin % helps you keep an eye on your account too.
What is margin level %? This is calculated by your equity/used margin x 100%. . The closer you get to using 100% of your margin the closer you get to being stopped out. You always want a healthy margin. At least 500, over 1000 is better, when we are running large lot sized trades.
My daily strategy.
So, 80% of the time I let the automation do all the work. iX focuses are helping us earn more money and we pay for their knowledge, insight and experiences to trade on our behalf. For busy professionals looking to see their money work harder for them, then why not! Daily, I check my drawdown and my margin % to see how the account looks. A couple of minutes of my time. I'm happy when my with a drawdown of 30-50%, I’m comfortable with that now. As you can appreciate, we need to have active trades to make money. I also watch my margin % which anything over 2000% I do not even think or worry about. I get on with my day!
When the margin % is getting close to 1500% I will start to pay a bit more attention and see for myself what is going on with the currency pairs. Not in a stressful way, just more of an awareness. What are the expectations from currency movers, what macro-economic activities are going on and coming up that could impact our trades. Again, I will not do anything, I'll just put myself in a 'more observation and tracking' mode. I am just being cautious.
When I'm just below 1000% and economics indicators are not clear then I'll think about options open to me to start thinking about. When you are here you are making more rational, unemotional decisions and will make a clearer judgement. A plan to have just helps you keep calm. Options like a) add capital, b) close trades, c) reduce lot size to reduce risk. They are all viable options and I choose the one that feels most comfortable.
As the margin % starts to fall its then up to you when you want to take precautionary action. 300% is for some, others it is too low. When margin % is getting close to 100%, your MT4 app will start to flash. It an indicator to you to do something to save your account. If you do not your broker will take control and close trades. You have lost your decision making on the account. It’s too stressful to be there and you don’t make great decisions.
I'm sure you are asking if I have been close to a 100% and what did I do? Yes, once. I got to 250% and felt I needed to start managing the account and making decisions. I chose to close a large sell trade which meant a loss, but I increased my margin % back to 400%. That move left me room for the currency pair to recover and replenish my account. The currency pair turned around, trades began to recover, some trades closed in profit and some in loss but we were back into healthy margin % again. Beside that that closed trade, I did make a tiny profit on the eventual closing on all the other trades involved. So, a small loss overall but I was happy with the eventual outcome.
In all my time with using an automated service this was the first time I had taken action and I felt I made the right decisions at the time. With hindsight, I wish I had not closed that trade but when we are trading, we have to remain in 'reactive mode'. We cannot predict the future. The loss happened and I quickly recovered that loss through new trades set in the following weeks. Your mindset for trading is important. Have a read of my blog on my first year of trading and my learnings.
It’s now March 2020, and next week marks the end of the month, so I’ll be sharing my march results.
To understand your MT4 app please see read this blog post.
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Here’s an explanation of what you see in your MT4 and why you need to look at them.
Figure at top - your running profit or loss on all trades
Balance - This is your cash balance which includes the cash that is currently being utilised in your trades
Equity - Your balance minus/plus the trades - where you would be at if you closed all the trades at that moment
Margin - the amount of money you need in your account to be able to place a trade. Like a deposit.
Free margin - Equity less the margin. You want there to be equity. This is also where if you calculate your position if the market were to move against you to a certain point you can see if it takes up your free margin.
Margin level % - this is calculated by your equity/used margin x 100%. . The closer you get to using 100% of your margin the closer you get to being stopped out. You always want a healthy margin. At least 500, over 1000 is better, when we are running large lot sized trades.
So check in on your margin level daily.
From February 2021 onwards I'm just going to share my trading results monthly. Trading is a long term activity and I have found at measuring at daily and weekly level there is alot of activity and can be a bit too emotional for me so I think just looking at a higher monthly level would suit better. So I wont release my Feb results wont be released until the month is complete.
If you want to see my results within the month then please do ask and I can share.
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